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Comments

Mary G in Greenville

Lissa -- as always, a wonderful post and defense of why we do what we do....I may "nick" some of these comments (with appropriate attribution of course) to use in public.

THANKS!

Melissa Markham

Great post! You should submit this for the next Homeschooling Carnival!

Love2learn Mom

Great, great stuff!!!

Alice Gunther

Another great post, Lissa!

Cheryl Wilcox

I really enjoyed this post. I love the logical thinking you expressed.

Mary Beth Patnaude

Excellent post! This is further encouragement for me, as I continue my serious ponderance of homeschooling next year (of another former Queens sling-baby, for whom the plethora of comments about his mode of transportation were given). Gee, I hope I know enough math!

meredith

In a word: Brilliant!! Consider yourself linked! M.

Brian B

You are my hero.

I'm 100% sold on home schooling, and am even willing to be the one to take on the responisbility, but my wife is not convinced yet. And her big concern? Yup -- socialization.

I rememember high school. I've discussed this with my best friend, and he has the same memories. Cliques, bullies, social ostracism for the most petty of reasons, promiscuity, irrational levels of peer pressure -- these are tje socialization skills my child will be missing by home schooling?

Sign me up!

Sandra Wallace

Great post. The anti-homeschooling comment that amuses me the most is "Do you really think it is in the child's best interest?". The snarky part of me is always tempted to reply "No, that's why we do it!".

Beth

Oh my goodness!!! The lines!!! I just started homeschooling my 7yo and one of my friends actually told me she thought my son was missing learning how to "stand in lines waiting to go somewhere". So I told her I could line my kids up each time we left the house ;-)

Ron

Good one :)

S.J. Dupuis

I'm a recently homeschooled kid myself (relatively speaking, anyway- I'm 23) And I just want to say that was a great read.

For a time in my life, I thought I had in fact missed "socialization" by not attending public schools (college was rather awkward at first). But I've come to learn that I'm just naturally an introvert (read: shy-guy) and don't really socialize much anyway.

Thanks!

Karen E.

Wonderful, Lissa, as always!

Theresa

This is by far the most elegant defense of homeschooling I have ever read. Beautiful! Thank you!

Rebecca

Hurrah Lissa! Thanks so much for the excellent food for thought...

hmSkooledKid

I was home schooled and I always wondered “am I normal?” how do you reassure your children? Because no matter what my parents said I still felt different then the world, and that question always ate away at me. As an adult I still struggle with it everyday.

Melissa Wiley

hmSkooledKid, your question brings several thoughts to mind. I went to public school but I too grew up wondering "am I normal," feeling keenly aware of the ways in which I did NOT fit in with others. I was not alone in this. Many, many kids, especially adolescents, experience those feelings, no matter how they are educated. Certainly I know scores of adults whose school memories are suffused with a sense of being an outsider. There's no guarantee you wouldn't have felt that way if you HAD gone to school. You might even have felt it in a more painful manner.

As far as how do I reassure my children on this score, well, my oldest is not quite eleven, so we haven't yet reached the age when the desire to be like everyone else is an issue. Right now, my kids are very aware of the ways in which their life is different from their public- or private-schooled friends and relatives, but so far I can honestly say they are nothing but delighted about the differences. They are incredulous about the notion that their neighborhood pals spend all day in school and then have to come home and do homework before they're free to play. There have been snowy, sunny mornings when my kids hurried outside to get in a last bit of sledding before the snow melts, and they feel bad for their friends who are missing all the fun. Or on gorgeous fall or spring days when we go out for tramps along the nature trails, they'll rejoice in the freedom and compare it to their friends' situations. Because they have close friends who are in school, the topic comes up often, and always, always, my kids express a wish for those friends to "get to do what we do" rather than the other way around.

My oldest daughter is also very interested in the ways people learn, and what her homeschooled friends' educational experiences are like in contrast to her schooled friends' experiences. It's a frequent topic of discussion, and I think the fact that we have an open and frank discourse about pros and cons has helped her to form her own judgments about what she perceives as advantages to her situation.

Another thing your question makes me aware of is how very much the homeschooling movement has grown in the past ten years. Because we know so many, many other homeschooled children, my kids don't seem to see it so much as "being different" from the rest of society--they see it as "normal" that some kids are homeschooled and some kids go to school (just as it's "normal" for some kids to go to public school and some to private). They have plenty of friends in each category.

Karen E.

Lissa -- funny: we were posting in response to HmskooledKid at the same time. :-)

Karen

Great post, Melissa. Thank you for putting into words what many of us have longed to say for years.

Melissa Wiley

Karen E.--your response doesn't seem to have come through! I'm eager to see it.

Melissa Wiley

Aha, I found it at your blog! Great post, Karen. Here's the link: http://karenedmisten.blogspot.com/2006/03/skip-over-to-bonny-glen.html

Maria

Melissa, I have finally had tome to sit down and read this. I loved your socialization comments. I haven't heard them lately but when I do again I will rememeber your responses.

btw I am an avid reader of your (and other Little House books) and now have my daughter hooked on them as well

Love2learn Mom

As a homeschooled mom (now in my mid-thirties), I agree that some homeschooled kids wonder if they can be normal - my youngest brother, in particular, found this very frustrating. He spent very little time with other homeschoolers and admired many people who had attended "regular" schools (he gives our dad as an example). But, as Melissa said, this is true of non-homeschooled kids as well. I think when homeschooling was more unusual - particularly if you didn't know many/any other homeschoolers - it was more of a natural reaction. Like Melisssa, I don't see this in my children at all.

I do think it helps for homeschooled children to associate with both homeschoolers and non-homeschoolers - it's a good idea for a lot of reasons.

My personal experience is kind of funny. I was pretty "geeky" in grade school (I was only homeschooled for high school) - kind of a loner and never felt like I fit in. I was teased quite a bit, but it didn't bother me that much - I was kind of tough, I guess, but also, reacting against that teasing didn't necessarily help. It made me more stubborn in my ways, if anything.

I think homeschooling had a "normalizing" effect on me. I think it's partly the way peer things work. School kids break up into small groups with whom people generally associate. If you don't fit into these groups or don't like being "stuck" in a group, you can be sort of an outcast.

With other homeschoolers you spend time with, friendships are more likely to span age-ranges, personality differences and other things like that. This is a very healthy thing and can have a balancing effect!!!

I didn't have a lot of homeschooled friends my age, but the one I spent the most time with is still a good friend today. I probably would never have gotten to know her if we had been in the same class at a local school. We probably wouldn't have "belonged" in the same "group." Dang! I would have really missed out.

Emily

I just discovered your blog, and wow, what a great post! My husband and I plan to homeschool our children, and we really appreciated your insight and humor. Thanks!

Tom

I read your enthusiastic post with great interest and pleasure. I do not homeschool my children and I do not come close to fully understanding what goes into homeschooling one's children. But I do understand your reactions to prejudices against homeschooling as they are based on suppositions and inexperience, and I imagine your experiences easily dismiss them for what they are. I have a tremendous amount of respect for those who homeschool, perhaps mainly because I know those folks are doing something I could not do, at least not do well.
I do want to comment on one point you made a few times in your excellent post. I have been an English teacher in a private school now for twenty-three years and my wife has been teaching culinary arts for twenty years in a large public school system. My comments below are based on my own experiences, but I doubt my wife, who is taking a student culinary team to a national competition next month having just won at the state level for the second year in a row, would disagree with much in relation to her teaching experiences.

I have never had a day that began with the knowledge that I would spend it filling a bucket, and while some days have surely been difficult I have had none that ended with my thinking that's all I accomplished either.
What a dreary couple of decades I would have had, had that been all I thought I had accomplished, experienced and shared with my students.
Teaching is exciting, thrilling, and rejuvenating work. It is more than that. It's a way of life, an identity. I do not see myself as teacher morning through afternoon and then another person in the evening. I am a teacher and the fires that keep that burning come not so much from some stubborn force within me but from experiences shared in the classroom.

Melissa Wiley

Tom, thanks, it's really good to have your insight here, and encouraging to hear about the fires burning in your classroom. What I'm wondering, and I'd love to hear from more teachers on this, is how your experience as a private school teacher (and your wife's as a culinary arts teacher) differs from the experiences of public school teachers. (I'm assuming, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, that as the teacher of an elective your wife isn't bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects.) I have one other friend who teaches at a private school, and his description of teaching is much like yours. My friends who teach at public elementary schools (one in NC, one in CO, and one in VA) describe an altogether different experience. They are repeatedly and intensely frustrated by the limitations imposed on them—mainly by standardized testing and NCLB. They don't walk into the classroom thinking "today I'm going to fill buckets," but they describe a struggle to light fires under the constraints of mandatory bucket-filling, if I'm not stretching the metaphor too far. I read similar complaints on the blogs of public school teachers.

I hold teachers in very high regard, especially public school teachers who persevere to kindle sparks of enthusiasm in their students despite the relentless drill required by teaching to the test. I wholeheartedly admire the men and women who pour themselves into this work. It is important work.

But what I'm hearing from public school teachers is that it is frustrating work as well. In my post I wrote about the barriers that institutional education can place between the teacher and the student, or between the student and knowledge. I really do wish those barriers could be removed. Every student and every teacher deserves the kind of exciting and thrilling learning experience you describe.

Tom

Lissa,

You asked whether or not my wife, in her culinary arts program in a large public school system, was "bound by the same curriculum and procedural restrictions as teachers of core subjects." Of course she is, though neither she nor I would choose the word "bound" to represent a teacher's relationship to curriculum.
My wife utilizes the National ProStart Program and with that comes tests on national standards at the end of the 11th and 12th grade years.

I do not want to get into any sort of comparison between homeschooling and teaching in public and private schools. As I said in my earlier posting, I don't know much about homeschooling. I only know what I have heard from people who do it, websites I have read, and online curriculm I have investigated regarding teaching writing at home, and that in no way is a substitute for the experience of teaching in homeschool. Any opinion I would have would be immediately invalid because of my lack of real experience. The same applies to teaching in public and private schools. Unless you have actually done it, any opinion you form is just based on the experiences of others which is a hollow and useless substitute for the real experience.

As an example, like you,I am no fan of grades, yet I issue them. I in no way find that a barrier to my relationship with my students or their relationship to knowledge. I don't find them a particularly useful way of evaluating a student or a particularly enlightening way for a student to demonstrate his learning, but I don't find them barriers either. I also teach the International Baccalaureate. If you know that program, you know that at the end of it students face comprehensive oral and written exams based in a large part on work done in 11th and 12th grade. I in no way find those looming exams barriers or restrictive. I teach as I teach and the exams take care of themselves. My wife, I assure you, does much the same.
My son and daughter attend public school, though they are in a different public school system than the one in which my wife teaches. The county curriculum is highly structured and the students do have to take state standardized tests, but I see none of the relentless drill you reference above, and I follow their curriculum very closely.
But back to barriers... My experience is that the most intrusive barriers are those set by teachers themselves, not by boards or administration. Any good teacher can make any curriculum exciting. And frankly, if a teacher doesn't believe in what he is teaching, he shouldn't be doing it. Curriculum doesn't come as a surprise. Anyhow, all good teaching comes not from a teacher's relationship with his curriuculm but his relationship to his students. I know I have wanted to take my students places they were not willing to go and I either forced the issue or could not find a way to make the trip exciting, and I should have backtracked, started over, abandoned ship, so to speak, but on and on I went. In such cases these were times when I placed an unnecessary barrier between my students and me, between my students and knowledge, and I had to find a way to sort that out and of course my students assisted in that process even during the times I let them down.

Lastly, I do not view teaching in public and private school as being institutional. Institutions may set curriculum. Insitituions may make demands. But individuals teach. Institutions do not. There's a huge difference.

Tom

andrea

Hi Lissa. I just happend upon your blog here and I am going to add it to my favorites. This was such an informative post. I have two children (so far) under 2 and we are consitering homeschooling for their future. For a long time I really opposed the idea and was completely closed-minded to the whole idea and I didn't know why. It came down to selfishness. I think that our Lord is calling me to something that I didn't want to do, and at first I was really unhappy about that, but the more I learn about homeschooling the more excited I get! I think you make some great points about socialization because I think that people in general are just unaware and uneducated, I know I was. Thanks and God bless!

Cara Fletcher

I support homev schooling and when I have kids I am thinking of using this type of schooling.My husband is thinking the same too.

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