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      Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs

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      The night above the dingle starry,

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      THE LAKE ISLE OF INNISFREE
      by William Butler Yeats

      I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
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      Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honey bee,
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      I will arise and go now, for always night and day
      I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
      While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray,
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    February 19, 2007

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    Very interesting. If I were reading it to my six year old, I would probably substitute "underside" or the always handy "wee-wee" because that's not a conversation I want to have just yet. Nor is it a word I want her using in social situations. :) But I can't see Patron receiving the Newbery Award using the word "wee-wee". I can think of a whole list of less appropriate, more vulgar words for that part of the anatomy than, you know, the correct word. Having the word on the first page... Goodness, it's not as if she were writing about a human's..um, "wee-wee". There are many points to ponder here. Hmmmmmm.

    "If I were reading it to my six year old," said Jennifer ...

    And that's a good point, Jennifer. The book is directed to an older group (9-12, I think?) so, as a parent, I'd do the same thing with a six-year-old. I would handle it differently with older children. And, I agree with Melissa that this stuff is a parent's job ... I've not yet read this book, but like Melissa, I would preread and then make my decision.

    Sometimes, when I'm reading aloud and Ramona is with us, I make some substitutions. My girls have taken to asking, "Are you editing for us, or for her?" :-) If I'm editing "for her" I fill them in later. I used to spell things, but Ramona's gotten too savvy for that. ;-)


    It is kind of fun, though, to picture the monthly meetings of the Secret Society of Children's Authors Committed to Sneaking in One Touchy Word.

    I still remember the feeling I had as I child when I read Robert Newton Peck's books from the school library. In one book, he uses the word "bitch" in its proper, techinical sense to refer to a neighbor's dog, and the librarian had used white-out over the word and written above it in pencil, "female dog." I guess I should be grateful they stocked it at all.

    This is too funny.

    What do authors gain from "sneaking" a single word or paragraph?

    1. They get parents and librarians and adults not even concerned with children to blow the issue completely out of proportion.

    2. Because the issue has been blown out of proportion, every self-respecting mischievous kid will do everything in their power to get their hands on the book and giggle over it in their respective playgrounds.

    3. Possibly some of these self-respecting mischievous kids will read the book in its entirety, enjoy it and read it to their kids someday.

    Seems to me that discussing the anatomy of dogs or other animals is a rather good way to introduce the topic to young children. Why shouldn't they know the correct terms for their body parts?

    I suspect if you were reading to a sibling group that included smaller children, the word scrotum would go right over their heads. So much of what they read or have read to them is incomprehensible, that it often doesn't bother them. It would be interesting to just read it and not make any issue of is and then later ask where they thought the dog was bitten. By substituting, you actually give the child a better sense of it but that might not be necessary for their enjoyment of the story.

    Wow! I hadn't heard of this one before. Thanks for discussing it, Lissa. IMHO age 9-12 is certainly old enough to handle the word scrotum. It is the correct anatomical term, after all. I'd much rather that term be used than some of the other more colorful terms for that particular part. As for younger children being read aloud-isn't that a parent's responsibility to edit if they choose to read a book out of the recommended age range? Besides, if little Sally asks "what's a scrotum?" we simply reply "That is part of the male dog's private parts." Simple enough. I just don't get what's the big deal.

    When we make a big deal out of things as common as body parts and ooh and aah about them until the whole world (practically) is talking about the word scrotum like it's a "dirty word"----well, then of course a lot of kids who will overhear all the adults oohing and aahing about the "dirty word" (which isn't, in fact, diry at all just the correct term for a part of the body, albeit one that is private) will feel that they just-have-to-read-the-book! But somehow it will have turned into a need to read the book in secret because all this oohing and aahing must be about SOMETHING....and so they'll most likely, at some point, read the book and think one of two things:
    1. which one is the dirty word? because they'll either already know what a scrotum is...and truly, since it is the correct use of a real part of the body...they'll think "well, it surely can't be that word" or they'll have not have heard the word and most likely will pass over it, assuming it is some part of the leg, or ear, or whatever....or they'll look it up in the dictionary and find out what it means and still think "it can't be that word, that all this oohing and aahing is about because really dirty words are usually not real words at all and so are not in the dictionary"....or
    2. they'll know that all the fuss is about the word scrotum and may very likely come to a new understanding that scrotum IS a dirty word....which then gets complicated because if the WORD is dirty, well then is the PART dirty? And so our boys will think there bodies are something to be ashamed of and our girls will think that, too...and that's not somewhere I want to go for my children. Just because a part of our bodies is special and private does not mean that it is lewd or dirty, or not fit to ever be mentioned...even in the context of another species of creature for the benefit of retelling a story.

    I guess my question to the librarians is: don't you have anything better to do than this? All we're talking about is a dog! Shouldn't 9-12 year olds already know basic anatomy, anyway? Oh...and didn't the book recieve a Newbery Award?

    I was just reading the Children's Bible to my kids yesterday and the word ass was used and I had to explain usage....interesting how the proper terminology is branded improper....ridiculous.

    I have a far far bigger problem with violence. Have you read "Toys go Out?" Cute book, an easy to read chapter book probably directed at 6 and 7 year olds. I read it to my 5 year old. Totally harmless, but the author includes three seperate times in a list of fearful things lurking in the basement an AX MURDERER. What do young kids know of ax murderers? And if they do know of ax murderers do we really need to repeatedly draw that image up in their minds? I missed editing the first time I came across it and I am just glad my daughter didn't ask.

    I have no problem with correctly labeling body parts. I'd have no problem telling my daughter what it is.

    I know just what my Aunt Genia would say about it.

    Aww, nuts?!

    Sorry, couldn't resist lol. What were you expecting from someone who lives on a farm....

    Ummm...haven't most 9-12 year olds had sex ed in their SCHOOL???? Isn't the mantra these days about teaching our kids the correct anatomy words so they can talk about sexual abuse and talk to their doctors?? Come on! I expect much more out of NYT and adults in general. Geez, my son gets more terminology from the Science Channel! He told me the other day (6yrs old) that the sex of the sperm is what determines the sex of the baby. OK, it kinda surprised me but he knows it's not a 'forbidden' subject and therefore won't ever be one of those giggling kids in the bathroom reading exciting words like 'scrotum'. Instead, my kid will be the one to tell the others to grow up. LOLOL

    Thank you , Lissa, for speaking out on this issue. I probably never would have heard of the book, if there hadn't been such a hoopla made about one word!

    Just some food for thought...Who and what are the librarians afraid of? And why?
    Maybe through all this media attention the libraries will be able to carry this book "Lucky" without fear!? If the ridiculousness of the situation is exposed, maybe it will hinder some (adjective) parents from complaining to the library or even going to court to sue the librarian for who knows what???? Maybe the librarian won't lose her job, because of the decision? Don't get me wrong. I am definitely in favor of protecting our children, but the system sure is a bit screwy? Nicht wahr?
    On this side of the ocean, we hear all kinds of stories...about the Land of the Free...it makes you wonder sometimes what the word "Free" means.

    "I suspect if you were reading to a sibling group that included smaller children, the word scrotum would go right over their heads."
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    LoL ... You don't know my Ramona. *Nothing* goes over her head. You'd be surprised at what she's repeated (correctly and in context) around here. :-)

    As a librarian, albeit not in public or school libraries, I cannot imagine banning a Newbery book even if it were offensive! I think as a society we have gotten a little crazy over language!

    My thought was, considering the very graphic sex ed and "AIDS education" most kids get in public schools (sometimes starting in kindergarten) I don't know what the big deal is about referring to a dog's scrotum. Absurd!

    I don't care how old (or young) a child is, "scrotum" is not an inappropriate word. I can't believe people still make up babyish names for body parts. Talk about teaching children to be ashamed of their bodies! That's the kind of thing "The Vagina Monologues" addresses, which is what makes the recent story about "The Hoo-ha Monologues" even more absurd and embarrassing.

    As someone else who enjoyed Herriot at a very young age, I completely agree. Those books included an immense number of graphic descriptions of animal body parts and some pretty intimate details of said body parts. But in no case was it crude; it was simply factual and that's what I loved about those books. They were so real.

    I've not yet read Lucky, but used in context, there is absolutely nothing wrong with "scrotum". It's a simple description, and I have to think the author anticipated that her audience would be familiar with the word and its meaning. Really. Shouldn't 9-12 year olds *know* what that's called?? If they don't, I'd say that's a bigger problem than Lucky.

    Makes me want to listen to George Carlin's monologue again -- Remember his Seven Dirty Words? Don't google it unless you're prepared : ) Even the search page turns The Words up in full view.

    I loved my general semantics grad courses, where I learned such weirdly simple/complicated things as "the word is not the thing."

    We used to do a very brief exercise in my college communication classes where we used perfectly innocent four-letter words, like, say "desk," and placed them in all the contexts in which we usually find the words that are considered profane. "You desking idiot!" "What the desk?" "Holy desk!" The students got a real kick out of it - and out of thinking about the power of words and how they "hold" or contain power.

    We invest certain words with power that the letters simply do not contain - we just agree that they do. It's sort of like paper money without any gold to back it up. We just agree on the value. Then we face people who take even this a step further, searching for other words that share meaning (value) with the ones we've decided are "bad words," but in which society has not invested the same power of the profane.

    I think about all this while embracing one of my favorite Bible verses: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

    What interesting creatures we are.

    As a librarian I can tell you in your country, school and public librarians don't win. God help them in the South if they hold books on evolution because there is always someone who does not hold with that or some dolt who finds a book that others want to read offensive. Worst was some silly mother who held the local public library liable when her 16 year old was looking up porn sites on the local public library computers in the adult section. He was her son and she not the library is responsible for him. In Australia we don't seem as silly on either sides yet but I suppose that it is yet to come. I hold with the freedom to read and libraries to hold a variety of books and other literature in ther collectison and to provide access electronically to web resources that some may find offensive to them and their beliefs but that others want to read. However when I was a kid the local public library stopped buying Enid Blyton books because they offered a limited vocabulary supposedly yet that was all some kids read but at least they were reading. So parts fo Australian libraries have been as silly as the US.

    I'm with Lori - at least the author uses the anatomically correct word instead of some sort of slang!

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